Now that pisses me off. Another strike against you. You need to grow up and start acting like an adult instead of a 4th grader who calls names. I cannot imagine men in the Third Reich calling each other Weenies.........

I can't imagine Kevin Strom in the Third Reich. I think he'd have to wear a pink triangle.

But if you want to get down to it, Kevin has repeatedly launched behind the scenes smear campaigns against myself and other white activists, both in VNN and in the NSM, over the years, and he really deserves the abuse he gets from us.

D.T.Z.,

I think you will only make the NSM better. Like you, brother, I too have sat here with an application waiting to be filled out. Perhaps I should follow your lead and make my stand as well. :cheers:

Maybe the only thing that will get factions to cooperate is the fall-out from rallies. The rallies will cause the ZOGlings (including cops) to become more brazen and hostile, and this will cause more cooperation among factions. If Alex Linder were to join the NSM...well, I imagine many VNNers would join him.

Bill, have you ever corresponded with Eric Thomson? His mailing address should still be:

ERIC THOMSON
PO Box 896
YAKIMA WA 98907

He is possibly WN's greatest buried treasures. If you dig him up I'm sure you'd find a wonderful ally for the NSM, and he's a great writer and also prolific. VNN often posts his new correspondence and articles, and there is an archive of his correspondence here: http://www.faem.com/eric/index.htm

As far as I know he still doesn't have internet access, but has the brains and ability to write whatever the NSM needs. He was the mastermind behind Zundel's success, prior to Zundel's efforts to undo the political power they had built up. Eric had to leave after realizing Zundel was unsalvagable.

D.T.Z.,

I think you will only make the NSM better. Like you, brother, I too have sat here with an application waiting to be filled out. Perhaps I should follow your lead and make my stand as well. :cheers:

Thanks for the good words.

Yes, send the app in.

And I won't rest until JP SLOVJANSKI is a member.

Now that pisses me off. Another strike against you. You need to grow up and start acting like an adult instead of a 4th grader who calls names. I cannot imagine men in the Third Reich calling each other Weenies.........

Well, I'm pretty sure Hitler used to refer to some people as "nincompoops" (at least in Mein Kampf), but I don't know if he did so after becoming chancellor for Germany.

I hope this isn't a stupid fucking question, but can you join both NV and NSM? I really like both groups, everyone is white and ultimately have the same goals the only differences are the tactics, which isn't an issue for me..

Each person must follow the path that they think will succeed.
We need a myriad of approaches and I support the men and women of NV, VNN, WR, Skins, KKK, whatever fits their viewpoint.

I know some people think you can "sneak up" on the enemy, that won't ever happen.

"We can never win with open adherence to National Socialism and the Swastika," these gentlemen explain feebly. "The Jews have taught people to hate them too much," they add. "If we use the Swastika and praise Hitler too openly, they will throw us in prison or kill us!" And did they not throw ALL makers of revolutions, including the Jew makers of the Red revolution, in jail—and even kill some of them? Are we National Socialists to be more fearful and cowardly than a gang of Jews? The very persecution and bloodshed such irresolute characters seek to avoid is the sine qua non of our victory!

These are not empty words. I have personally proved their truth here in America, the power center of world Jewry, by being beaten, by going to jail and the insane asylum, losing my dear family, and living like an animal. Twelve days from today, as I write this, I face jail again. These things are unpleasant and even heartbreaking—but they MUST BE!

I have risen in two years to a commanding position in the worldwide fight for the White man, starting as a penniless, unknown and unaided single individual like millions upon millions of others—simply and solely because I have gratefully and lovingly used the precious names and symbols which have been bathed and soaked in such oceans of blood and tears—the Swastika and the name of the Leader, Adolf Hitler.

Temporary and flashy political successes are always easy. It is always simpler and quicker to put pads in one's jacket that to build the human muscles to fill the coat by months or years of work and sweat. For fifty years now, there has been a steady rise and fall of "right-wing" or White movements built entirely of pads.

By endorsing motherhood and virtue and patriotism, etc., and by avoiding brutal statements of the real purpose of such organizations—which must necessarily be the extermination of the Communist-Zionist enemies of humanity—great flocks of skittish "patriots", "conservatives", and even a few "tough" anti-Semites could be corralled. But these people are not attracted to such a movement because they are so inflamed with revolutionary zeal that they can hardly be restrained from attacking their tormentors in the streets. Rather they join the "patriot" society to relieve their guilty consciences by pretending to fight the Jews and their treason and terror by what they call "clever underground methods". They relieve themselves of their pent-up frustration at the tyranny of the Jews and negroes once a week at a "Rally" (private, of course) and then hurry home happily for another week of profits, parties and TV.

Such Mighty Mouses are horrified when it is suggested that perhaps they should hand out pamphlets in the street, or picket some outrageous example of Jewish-Communist arrogance. And if one exposes not only the Jews for what they are, but also exposes these political loafers who siphon off the support and energy for a real battle, these heroes reply by howling that one is an agent provocateur working to get them all crucified as a bunch of Nazis—which, except for their disgusting cowardice, they might otherwise be.

It is not the task of the world anti-Jewish revolution to attract and organize these contemptible sneaks, but to drive them out of the way and out of business, where they will be unable to milk the Movement of the tiny bit of available support for useless "projects", as they have been doing for years. Nothing accomplishes that task like the Swastika. The political drones, profiteers, prostitutes and cowards scoot with their tails between their legs from this hooked cross, as the devil does from holy water.

On the other hand, the Swastika has an irresistible attraction for the kind of daring, bold, devil-may-care fighting YOUNG men we need. In America, most of them are simply nigger-haters because of their pure White man's instinct. When they learn the Jews' part in the disgraceful negro situation they become Nazis in minutes. Then it is the work of only months until they also understand the deeper significance, the idealism, and the true aims of the Movement.

But even more important than these advantages, the blood-soaked Swastika has a supernatural effect on Jews. It is after all only a few black lines—but it drives the Jews out of their usual sly and calculating frame of mind and makes them hysterical and foolish. To them, it is not just the lines, but the awful threat of ruthless exposure, swift justice, and terrible vengeance which their guilty consciences tell them they richly deserve. It is like a picture of the electric chair to a hunted murderer.

A calm, calculating Jew is the most dangerous beast on the face of the earth. By the exercise of his devilish, perverted but brilliant reason, the Jew has almost mastered all the rest of us. But a hysterical, screaming Jew, out of his mind with hate and fear of punishment for his crimes, is helpless putty in the hands of a calculating National Socialist.

The Swastika and Hitler, far from being millstones, are actually the answer to the eternal problem of the right wing—money! When you don't have money for paper, meeting halls, etc.—as our side never does—you can go into the streets and march and distribute homemade handbills and picket—for nothing. The Jews go wild, attack—and you then have free use of millions of dollars worth of Jewish TV, newspapers, magazines, etc. Of course, you may get bloodied and have to sit in jail a while recuperating. But this is a small price to pay for the astonishing results.

In addition to the free publicity attendant on open operation as a Nazi, you also find that the very audacity of the thing will attract the young fighting men you need, even though they know nothing and care less about the politics of the business. They admire raw courage and daring. Later, when they have come to know the facts a little better, they will fight for ideals and the White man. But until then, these valuable protectors of your free speech will fight just for fun.

Above all, the Swastika will save you from the fundamental error of the right wing—that sweet reason will change the world and save us from the Jewish tyrants.

IN HOC SIGNO VINCES
By GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL

I hope this isn't a stupid fucking question, but can you join both NV and NSM? I really like both groups, everyone is white and ultimately have the same goals the only differences are the tactics, which isn't an issue for me..

That has always been common in the Movement.
The National States Rights Party of JB Stoner and Ed Fields had much cross-membership with the ANP and KKK and others. I think you should have your allegiance, however, primarily to ONE group.

Each person must follow the path that they think will succeed.
We need a myriad of approaches and I support the men and women of NV, VNN, WR, Skins, KKK, whatever fits their viewpoint.

I know some people think you can "sneak up" on the enemy, that won't ever happen.

IN HOC SIGNO VINCES
By GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL

Good post, New Order.

You know, GLR also stated in White Power that only the most extreme of the revolutionaries would get things done.

Hitler wrote a lot about the Social Democrats. They were the borgeous (sp?) best party and Hitler stated that they could never ever get the job done. History proves him right. The ONLY group that could and did stop Bolshevism in Germany was the NSDAP!!! The middle classes are great but they don't have the stomach for doing what needs doing.

I hope this isn't a stupid fucking question, but can you join both NV and NSM? I really like both groups, everyone is white and ultimately have the same goals the only differences are the tactics, which isn't an issue for me..

Mark,

This is the only thing I could find from NSM Application that answers your question:

(In signing this application I swear that I am not an agent or partisan of any other group whatsoever whose ideals or aims are at variance or hostile to the NSM.)

From the National Vanguard membership application:

* Persons of Jewish descent, homosexuals or bisexuals, criminals, persons with a non-White spouse or sexual partner, or persons with more than an undetectable trace of non-White ancestry are specifically barred from membership.

National Vanguard app. does ask if you have ever been a member of the National Alliance or any other pro-white group. Don't know what their reaction would be if you claim to already be a member of NSM, but I think they would not turn down your monthly dues over this.

Hehe, well I guess they could turn me down, especially after arguing with Bill White on this forum a few times.

I see it this way. Either I can start a NS group or I can join NSM-or apply anyway. I have the app filled out and lying here on my kitchen table. I only have to go and get the money order for the dues and a couple of passport photos. I figure, why dilute the NS pool by trying to start another NS group?

So, fellow VNNers, should I send the app in? I applied for a nonuniform position. I value the advice of fellow VNNers. In fact, what says JP with this being a nonuniform position that I requested?

OK. I will see what you guys have to say. :cheers:

Start your own group and amaze us with your ingenuity, dedication, hard work, and staying power. Nothing to it but that. And recruit from the masses of 200 million, rather than waste your time competing for the choir of coupla hundred WN-NS street activists. Thus, avoid the back-stabbings, bickerings, jealousies, and internet flamings among so-called WN leaders.

Hell, you only live once. Right? Live it with hardcore, kike-and-koon hatin gusto ACTIVISMS. Then you'll feel good about yourself in your old age, and look forward with comfidence to the Valkyries and Valhalla.

Sieg Heil !!!

Now that pisses me off. Another strike against you. You need to grow up and start acting like an adult instead of a 4th grader who calls names. I cannot imagine men in the Third Reich calling each other Weenies.........

Weenie is the polite word. If Strom had been present at the time, rest assured men of the Third Reich would've familiarized people with it. It shows in his face, in his voice, in his actions. That's why it's applied to him so regularly by so many.

Start your own group and amaze us with your ingenuity, dedication, hard work, and staying power. Nothing to it but that. And recruit from the masses of 200 million, rather than waste your time competing for the choir of coupla hundred WN-NS street activists. Thus, avoid the back-stabbings, bickerings, jealousies, and internet flamings among so-called WN leaders.

Hell, you only live once. Right? Live it with hardcore, kike-and-koon hatin gusto ACTIVISMS. Then you'll feel good about yourself in your old age, and look forward with comfidence to the Valkyries and Valhalla.

Sieg Heil !!!

Thanks, Rounder. I am not sure that I would be the man for that sort of job but I will consider the options.

WTF, I have told JP Slovjanski over and over to get off of his dead ass and do something like that. He is ten times smarter than I am. I guess jacking off on the keyboard is more satisfying for him.

Rounder, the state of North Carolina makes it damn near impossible to get on a ballot unless you are Dem or Rep. I guess you know that. But, what the hell, if Harold Covington could get the high numbers he did when he ran for Attorney General then I could give it a try.

OTOH, why dilute the numbers of other White orgs.

@Bill White: what do you think of the RaHoWa people at Creativity? What about New Order-I know they are not a political party.

I still intend to join NSM. The message from Commander Schoep makes it clear-no sugarcoating by NSM.

Start your own group and amaze us with your ingenuity, dedication, hard work, and staying power. Nothing to it but that. And recruit from the masses of 200 million, rather than waste your time competing for the choir of coupla hundred WN-NS street activists. Thus, avoid the back-stabbings, bickerings, jealousies, and internet flamings among so-called WN leaders.

Hell, you only live once. Right? Live it with hardcore, kike-and-koon hatin gusto ACTIVISMS. Then you'll feel good about yourself in your old age, and look forward with comfidence to the Valkyries and Valhalla.

Sieg Heil !!!

Present WN "leaders" have their recruiting strategy ass backwards. The cadre doesn't come first. The masses do. (As much as I respect Will, we differ on this point).

I started with 3 members in 1980, and the other two were not leadership materiel, but dedicated hard workers who went out among the masses as I did, and recruited fed up White folks, and passed out Thunderbolt newspapers bearing the phone number of my pre-recorded, 2-minute recruiting messages containing "call of the blood" messages, and my home phone number and address.

Recruiting was fairly slow at first, but as we grew in number, recruiting accellerated parallel. The bigger we got, the faster we grew.

I then broke them up into Chapters. 5 members were required for each, and each chapter chose their own leader. And each chapter worked competitively to increase their numbers by recruiting. Small chapters lowers dramatically the chances of bickerings. And on rally and marching days, we all came together for the short periods required.

And I fed them all with regular doses of anti-jew literature and speeches during meetings. And our jew-wise members did same. The jew-wise cadre materialized naturally. And it was to these men I gave the most responsibilities and duties.

See ?? We went after the masses first, and allowed the cadre to form naturally. But with me, the dictator, controlling everything and making all the decisions that affected the organization as a whole.

And that, my confused, inexperienced WN friends, is the GD best way to do it.

There is no substitute for White folks coming together physically. Unite, Organize and Educate. And all at the same time. Just like Hitler did. The 2nd alternative however, is to EXPOSE THE GD KIKES to the maximum of our resources and capabilities. Which is what we strive to do on this forum.

Present WN "leaders" have their recruiting strategy ass backwards. The cadre doesn't come first. The masses do. (As much as I respect Will, we differ on this point).

I started with 3 members in 1980, and the other two were not leadership materiel, but dedicated hard workers who went out among the masses as I did, and recruited fed up White folks, and passed out Thunderbolt newspapers bearing the phone number of my pre-recorded, 2-minute recruiting messages containing "call of the blood" messages, and my home phone number and address.

Recruiting was fairly slow at first, but as we grew in number, recruiting accellerated parallel. The bigger we got, the faster we grew.

I then broke them up into Chapters. 5 members were required for each, and each chapter chose their own leader. And each chapter worked competitively to increase their numbers by recruiting. Small chapters lowers dramatically the chances of bickerings. And on rally and marching days, we all came together for the short periods required.

And I fed them all with regular doses of anti-jew literature and speeches during meetings. And our jew-wise members did same. The jew-wise cadre materialized naturally. And it was to these men I gave the most responsibilities and duties.

See ?? We went after the masses first, and allowed the cadre to form naturally. But with me, the dictator, controlling everything and making all the decisions that affected the organization as a whole.

And that, my confused, inexperienced WN friends, is the GD best way to do it.

There is no substitute for White folks coming together physically. Unite, Organize and Educate. And all at the same time. Just like Hitler did. The 2nd alternative however, is to EXPOSE THE GD KIKES to the maximum of our resources and capabilities. Which is what we strive to do on this forum.

There's much wisdom in the above post, our challenge really is the White masses. And I happen to agree with Rounder's snowball recruiting methods, there's something to it, and let's give credit where credit is due, Rounder actually achieved results that have yet to be repeated, sadly.

White Nationalism must grow in size, number. So long as demonstrations and thought remain small in number our agenda will not be perceived as strong, and strength impresses our people and will breed success.